Pretty sure they were discussing technology while playing Dota.

Man fuck frameworks I can write my own shit.

@AdrianD Exactly. Your own shit. So when will you write the next ORM that blows Hibernate out of the water? ; - )

@apisarenco I don't see where you did what you claim? You wrote some framework yourself, which in scope and richness of features is nowhere near something like Hibernate.

Of course you shouldn't use some framework just because it's "standard". The right tool for the job.

Netherless the argument "Man fuck frameworks" is still utterly stupid. It's the overestimation of one's own abilities that your are able to surpass the work of a whole team of actual software engineers with your homebrew solution.

The first thing that comes to mind when I read something like "In the past, I used to use all kinds of bloatware... [...] And then nothing worked and nobody knew why." is that you don't seem to know how those frameworks operate, if you have trouble telling why something doesn't work. So you cooked up your own solution where you wrote everything alone. Of course you would know how everything works there.

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@apisarenco One of the qualities a good software developer imo should have is that he reuses good solutions. Why invent the wheel over and over again? Especially when your solution has nothing new to add.

In the long run you will also just need longer for your implementations as you rewrite parts of applications that where perfectly fine solved elsewhere. That will make you less competitive on the market.

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