!Rant

I'm falling in love with C#. So classy...

Languages are always girls to me, as the computers.

You mean objects?

@nblackburn yes! :)

@maltedMilk I began with Pascal, Delphi, then VB, VBA, PHP, a little bit of Python and JS and now I am learning C#. I am loving it.

About Java, I never used it, but I don't like it very much. I don't even know why as I really do not known how to use it. It's what holds me to develop Android apps.

I dunno, from my perspective c# is what happens when M$ won't comply with standards. I am cpp dev, and I see on each cpp release there is less and less things that are covered as they should be.
Also won't work on anything besides windows so it's half useless...

@esavier C# is multi platform now. You have Visual studio on Mac.

@esavier Sure. It's not like Windows dominates the desktop PC market, and it's not like a shit ton of enterprise software's being developed on. NET. Btw, it's been multiplatform for almost 2 years already.

@brunofontes

Apps are not all written in Java anymore. i.e. for C# there's that thing called Xamarin. You can write Apps for Android, Windows Phones and iPhones with that tool. :)

@codedoge
If something's on Mac is it multiplatform ? I am talking normal systems, unix/posix systems, where only handful have decently working mono framework. For most architects handfull is far too less to actually choose that solution.
20% slower than Java? Aren't Java already 20% slower than C/C++? I worked on the market almost 10 years, for different contractors, and noone who was talking performance mentioned C# let alone Java in the same day. BTW Scala right now has better days than java. Also no embedded systems are supported. Prove me wrong but it seems c# is M$'s autistic child people choose because it's easy and requires far less knowledge than other languages.
@apisarenco
I understand maps(dicts) but lists accessed by index? What the actual fuck?! How is that even implemented?

@datmaddin I am going to take a look on that today yet! Thanks!

@apisarenco
Ok lol,
Fpga is not quite a cpu, but you can develop firmware in C/C++, can you in c# ? Nope...
Is c slower than assembler? Not really, since c actually produces assembly output, is c#? Nope...
You can not program electronics with c#, c# have this same problem as java, needs runtime environment. And simple OS Which is written in c in most cases. Can you write OS in c#? I bet not...
Fast development? Cool if I would want fast development I would use python or even bash for example. It would cost less to develop, but costs of servers would increase since I need more power to run same amount of features. Except it is not safe, secure and performance sucks.
Switching platforms is not an argument, I do it all the times, this is normal for c.
C/C++ is powering jet fighters, GPS, aerospace, OS's, drivers, automotive life support, research facilities, power plants and shitload of things c# won't and never will. Guess why?

@esavier Dude, just... Check out the available systems https://microsoft.com/net/core/...

@esavier @esavier It looks like you last read something about .NET 5 years ago. If we don't count Mono which is used by Xamarin and Unity3d which run on a shit-ton of platforms and are used in many real world apps and games, Microsoft provides open source implementation (.NET Core) for Windows, MacOS, Red Hat, Ubuntu, Mint, Debian, Fedora, CentOS, so I'm pretty sure it's a safe bet to assume that support will only increase in the future. Oh, btw Samsung supports .NET Core for Tizen

@apisarenco
"Large complex web app" if that's the highest you are aiming to do, by all means use c#. What about safety critical systems? What about security?

Dude, you can program electronics in js, it doesn't mean you should.

Memory leaks? If you wrote something and it has leaks it says something about you not the language. Quite common approach for someone using garbage collectors all his life.

Platform switching is not an issue at least for me, since c++ code works everywhere, where there is compiler for it, or just common binary format. Properly written project looses very little time to handle different platform.

And Comos, I wouldn't call it is but ok let it be. There is exception to everything I guess.

I did some benchmarks, on dotnet, it seems there is same problem as in java, 48 MB ram vs c++ 3MB, also speed is 1,5 times slower at the very least.

@codedoge
It's usually not working properly, there are performance issues on most unixes. Simple apps will work but something that works on windows won't work as well on linux. However if ever there will be decent support I won't complain.
For entertainment there are shitloads of framework to sculpture in c/c++ python. Unity is bad but easy to develop in. Linux will however work well with unreal engine from the list of better engines, also ogre3d, which are open source and fully transparent , and of course written in native language, so they are highly optimized

I am yet to see any decent c#, game working well on linux.

@apisarenco
I am on high horse? It's you who act like mighty arrogant insecure fuck so far.
I stated my opinion you picked the fight because I named your beloved language "autistic".
You clearly don't know what I am doing same as I don't know what you are doing. I just stated that compared to stuff I helped made for military sector, webapps look rather weak from my perspective, whatever its purpose is.

Standard benchmarking is to write mandelbrot/binary tree/regexp functionality or similar and simply measure stuff. Do I made mistake? Maybe, prove what I did wrong.

For the future, have some respect for other people, or they will start to treat you the same.