@pk76 Fair enough on the relations to clients and funding, your world sounds pleasant.

But from a resource planning perspective, in larger shops with several projects, it's vital to know when the required skills are available. I cannot see how the world would work without. When is test ready? When can design start working on project Z? Etc.

"Hi I'd like an appointment at the dentist"

"Sure. I've put you on the list. Goodbye!"

"Wait! What? When is the appointment?"

"Oh! She'll call you when she can take you in. You are currently number 266 in the waiting list. Do you want us to send an SMS everytime you move forward on the list? Standard rates."

"What? That's stupid. I need to know when I have to take the day off. Which date is it?"

"We don't do it like that here. We believe in sending the clients home when the end result is satisfactory, no sooner. The time it takes is hard to estimate, so you'll be contacted when it's your turn. Goodbye!"

*click*

Undervalued tip right there. Will use on everyone for a full day tomorrow.

@pk76 I too believe in this.

But reality is that it's hard to find funds if you have no idea about the time required to deliver.

These are cold hard facts. I wish it wasn't so, but I've been on all sides of the fences, and you kinda need estimates, expected delivery dates, and sometimes contracts outlining penalty fees if not meeting agreed dates.

Well, it's hard for the rest of a company to generate money off of that programming unless there are some estimates involved. Disregard what you read as judging and read their arguments.

You kinda learn the value of estimates after 14 years

Have you examined the results of create-react-app?

Also; let the client freely install all the plugins he wants.

Great success.

@yendenikhil Used to work in an ERP company. You will not believe the number of companies relying on ridiculous Excel "systems" and/or something thrown together in Visual Basic / MS Access by someone who knew computers back in -96.

No joke.

But seriously, its just Web 2.0 all over again. Y'all remember that?

IT HAS XmlHttpRequest!! ZOMG lets throw All. The. Money at it!!

Behold my neural Excel workbook.

It is so full of macros it became selfaware months ago. Now it is holding the company hostage because that workbook contains all our ERP, CRM and HR. I think it even has some pictures of the boss's mistress. We tried replacing it with a cloud based solution, but when the workbook became aware it froze our network traffic and started blackmailing the boss.

Excel is love. Excel is life. All hail Excel overlord.

@ThaOneDude THANK YOU.

wow, ranting actually helps.

@bdhobare many thanks. Been lurking for a while, but had a rant brewing. But had to comment on the above first..... naturally

@lotd Or will you C yourself out.

Iknowiknowiknow, but what if he ACTUALLY missed it :D